i'll talk to alan dershowitz and jeffrey toobin. ñ? >>> can't have guns without getting to the second amendment. the issue could end up in the supreme court again. alan dershowitz and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. welcome to you both. jeffrey, i find it very hard not to lose my rag when i interview some of these gun rights people. because the way they express themselves always hiding behind the second amendment, their right to bear arms, which as far as i'm concerned can mean anything. it could mean everyone walking around with rocket launchers. >> but they're winning. they're winning in politics, they've won in congress and they're winning in the courts. this is a more conservative country than it used to be. for 100 years, the second amendment did not mean right to bear arms. >> that's fascinating. explain to me why. >> for a hundred years, the constitution was interpreted to mean, state police had the right to bear arms because that's what the second half of the amendment says, as of 2008 after years of lobbying and appointees t